Talisman Making

[Wazdakka]

Come mister talisman, tally me bananas. Daylight come and me want to discuss Talisman Making

[Rimalder]

I'm glad we created a crafting forum. I was half tempted to list my impressive stats of Talisman 2, Salvaging 4 until I saw what some of the pros had already posted. :eek:

Instead, I'll submit this question. For talisman making, is successfully salvaging an item (like a broken sword or green armor) the only way to get a fragment for completing the assembly process?

[Cillbo]

Instead, I'll submit this question. For talisman making, is successfully salvaging an item (like a broken sword or green armor) the only way to get a fragment for completing the assembly process?

That's the only way I've found so far. You can buy green renown gear for salvage. That get's a bit expensive though.

[Rusby]

Are there any talisman making guides yet? My gear needs these :P

[Cillbo]

Are there any talisman making guides yet? My gear needs these :P

I'm working on it, but it's a little slow. The easiest way to get a talisman, for now, is going to be auctions. More to come.

[Drakhon]

So far I'm at 27 TM and have a good bit of req25 mats (though probably not enough to get to 50, which is the next step) except for the containers. I don't know of any place to get higher skill containers other than the Guild Hall, which is still closed due to the City being Rank 1.

[Gunhilda]

I am a newbie when it comes to this but i am really interested. I am curious to know where you guys buy your mats? I am especially curious to know where you guys get your "apothecary" only mats that you need in the assembly process.

[Morethancaffine]

I am a newbie when it comes to this but i am really interested. I am curious to know where you guys buy your mats? I am especially curious to know where you guys get your "apothecary" only mats that you need in the assembly process.

Me will buy me good mats frum da auction house when me wants ta makes a really goods talisman.

Since me do Salvage too, most of da time me just breaks downs itums me gets and use de components me makes frum dose. Me combine dose wit da cheapo mats frum da merchants. Dat way me can skills ups witout havin ta spends too much monies.

[EKi]

hello,

Ive got about 135 in salvaging and 36 in talismant making but im stuck at TM cause i cant find the proper level 25 containers or other goods (curio and gold ?) and that without them i cant gain any skill points...

I got a trillion of mats to up it when ever i know how....ive been looking...but failed !

please help :)

[Gisli]

I can help you with gold essence if someone supplies me with Goldweed. But Waz is Cultivator/Apothecary so he's a one-stop shop on that aspect.

I can supply curios. I'm constantly dropping them in the guild vault. Have you been checking there?

I don't know about containers. Where do they come from? You don't just buy them at the vendor?

[Cillbo]

I'm up to 46 TM using the level one containers and gold. I have yet to find anything higher. If you use level 25 fragments, curios, and essence you can skill up. I just need a good source for level 25 and up curios at this point. I've gone broke buying them from auction.

[Gisli]

Curios are not hard to get for a scavenger. Of course, I'm way beyond L25. But maybe I can go gather some for you. I was thinking of doing a run on some lower zones for some tome unlocks at some point soon. I can AOE a lot of stuff. What I need to know is what is a good source for curio drops. I haven't really been paying that much attention. But I've got some ideas.

[bisett]

kk guys i can help this problem your having....the way i lvled up my talsiman making was alittle painful but i had nothing to go by so i hope you learn from my mistakes.
curios and magical essences are dropped in butchering or scavenging. once you get 25 into TM try your hardest to use lvl25 curios and essences it makes it easier to skill up. fragments with salvaging skill of 70ish you can salvage to lvl21.the best thing i did was goto renown merchants and buy boots they are the cheapest armor. i also ask my guildies to give me their old tier1 and 2 armor. any other garther can get you curios and magical essences at times but rare. use your essences from your items instead of buying the cheap lvl1 from merchant. gold essences are expensive to buy from AH so i made a planter to make my own. curios are always found from the other 2 garthering skills. magical essences you produces with the items essences from salvaging. i hope this helps out

[Llyweln]

Gisli, the tier 1 dark elf seems to give alot of curios, noticed this last night.

[Barakson]

I'm up to 120 talisman making. Now that you can buy the low end stuff it should be really easy to get up past the mid 30s which was really hard.

If anyone needs wounds talismans I am your guy. send me a message here or mail in game and I'll give you some for free.

[Greenmind]

I'd just roll a level 1 alt and run through level 1-11 scavenging along the way to get those curios. :)

[Kesomyr]

If you guys just want to level, just use the level 1 containers, curios, and gold essences to level up. You can use the level 1 magic essence too but if you can use the ones you salvage if you want to cut down on bank space.

I just hit 200 last nite. I used level 1 stuff the entire way, mearly using the higher level frags as I got them.

Save the higher end curios etc for when you want to make a decent talisman to actually use. If youre making purely for skilling up, dont bother with the AH, just buy the junk off the vendor.

Oh and being 200 now Im no longer skilling and will be doing purely order work so shoot me a tell if you want anything. I dont stock much anymore (gave alot away to help others level up) so youll prolly have to supply stuff for it.

[Dall dies to much]

can 100% confirm the skilling process.. just shred gear for frags and use the lvl 1 vendor junk, don't even have to use a curio for that matter


anyone thinking this is "spellcrafting" part 2... nope.. its far crappier

[Llyweln]

Also, pay attention to the timers on talismans (yep noobie me had to have it explained) but going thru gear as I was leveling, I didnt notice. Now that Im wearing gear longer, I noticed a talisman gone. Timer was up. Spellcrafting part 2, with a twist. lol

[Rimalder]

If you guys just want to level, just use the level 1 containers, curios, and gold essences to level up. You can use the level 1 magic essence too but if you can use the ones you salvage if you want to cut down on bank space.


I just wanted to double, extra, without a doubt, confirm something before I made a big push into talisman making. Are the experts saying I can use all level 1 components (containers, fragments, curious, gold essense, magic essence) to get from skill level 1 to 200?

Do I have a higher success rate if I use higher level items or should I just stick with using all merchant-bought items until I max out my skill level.

[Drakhon]

Fragments have to be of the appropriate skill level in order to skill up. In other words, once you get past the skill level 1 Fragments, you'll have to get them from Salvaging (whether it's you or someone you buy them from).

For everything else, you can use the 1 skill items all the way to 200 (in fact, there are currently only 1 skill Containers). You will, however, make shitty Talismans, but that's the trade off for easier skilling.

[Cillbo]

Fragments have to be of the appropriate skill level in order to skill up. In other words, once you get past the skill level 1 Fragments, you'll have to get them from Salvaging (whether it's you or someone you buy them from).

I can back that up.


For everything else, you can use the 1 skill items all the way to 200 (in fact, there are currently only 1 skill Containers).

I've found that to be true as well. To add to this:

For the first 10 skill points of a 25 point step it doesn't seem to matter what you use aside from the fragment. For the next 15 points I seem to get a skill up more often if I use the more rare ingredients. Personal experience, nothing scientific.

[Dharnyle]

What level of gear do I need to get in order to get the skill 50 fragments? My talisman making is 63 and I have a full bag of lvl 75 fragments. All the green/blue stuff Im getting in pq's and quests and random drops are turning into the 75 point stuff.

Is my best option now to goto renown merchants and buy stuff to get to 75?

Also, has anyone else noticed the severe lack of armor/weapons without a talisman slot?

Im beginning to question wether this was a wise tradeskill to take up as it seems Im never using the talismans that Im making. Add to that Im getting talismans as PQ rewards and am being forced to just dump all these gems to NPC vendors.

[Cillbo]

Is my best option now to goto renown merchants and buy stuff to get to 75?

That's what I had to do. There is a shortage of gear for that skill level if my remember is working right.


Also, has anyone else noticed the severe lack of armor/weapons without a talisman slot?

I've been finding more gear with a slot in the higher levels.


Im beginning to question wether this was a wise tradeskill to take up as it seems Im never using the talismans that Im making. Add to that Im getting talismans as PQ rewards and am being forced to just dump all these gems to NPC vendors.


My biggest complaint is the dropped tailsmans don't have the timer like the crafted ones do. That makes the drops much more appealing IMO.

I think we need to wait for more folks to get into the end game to see how useful tailsman makers will be over the long run. It's been my experience that many players have a "good enough" attitude. That will change in time. I just hope that the crafted tailsmans are better at that point.

[Gisli]

Cillbo -- Don't worry about that. Dropped talismans are like 5 or 6 points. Crafted ones are like 16 or 19 points. And the ones with timers have timers measured in days (of playtime). So crafted talismans are certainly the way to go!

[Drakhon]

Based on Talisman rarity (by color):

White: 8 hours
Green: 2 days
Blue: 5 days
Purple: Permanent

I plan a more in-depth write up, but because of the way Salvaging works with respect to rarity, the only (relatively) easy purples to get are Wounds. That said, these numbers are play time, not wall time. At lower levels, what are the chances that a Talisman that expires after 8 hours or 2 days of play time is really going to be a problem? You'll replace the item, make better Talismans while skilling or, in the "worst" case, have to replace an expired Talisman with another. I have a lot of Talismans sitting on a bank alt that I made while leveling/skilling that I didn't get around to using.

There is, admittedly, more of a problem at 40 with getting purple (permanent) Talismans other than Wounds. Blue is easy, however, and 5 days is a lot of play time. Of course, blue Superior (top end) Talismans are +16 stats while purple are +19, but that's not really that big of a difference. Just think of them as weaker - but much longer lasting - potions, if that helps.

[Cillbo]

Glad to hear this. I was thinking that the progression of the drops and crafted where linear.

[bisett]

i just hit 200 in this skill if ppl need epic gems or want any gems cut look me up ingmae name is bissett.i'll hook you up

[bisett]

anyone know how to get armor fragments?i have gotten 3 of them but i never remember how i got them.

[Llyweln]

Salvage green/blue/purple items Bissy :D

[bisett]

i know how to get fragments but the armor fragments is what i want they seem just to pop up in my bag and i never pay attention on what items i get them off of

[Llyweln]

hm, dont know then........pay attention more i guess :)

[Drakhon]

Do you mean Fragments that make Talismans that grant +Armor? It can't be Salvaged directly, but it is currently suspected that Salvaging for Corporeal Resist has a chance to give a +Armor Fragment.

[Harnin]

From the test realm patch notes.


Crafters will be able to Salvage most set items. Only set items that are available for purchase from a merchant will be flagged as “No Salvage.”

It looks like patch 1.1 will be shutting the door on buying renown gear pieces from merchants to get talismans

[Gisli]

Harnin, I think they are only dis-allowing salvaging the set items you get from renown vendors, not all renown gear. That means just a couple of items.

Sindrak -- Which item gives the purple wounds fragment?

[Harnin]

I think you're right Gisli. They do talk about set items. I just forgot that only a few of the renown items you can buy from merchants are considered parts of a set that gives a bonus once you have multiple pieces of it.

[Drakhon]

The easy to get items for 200 skill blue/purple Talismans are all set items, so +19 Wounds wont be as easy as 12g any more, unfortunately.

[Rimalder]

Most of the pros probably already know this, but I've found the crafting buff you get from the sergeants at some of the battle objectives makes leveling up much easier.

My experience has been the first few points in each crafting tier go very quickly, but the failed attempts start to increase as you near the next tier. For example, I might only fail to increase my skill level once or twice between 50 and 65. However, between 66 and 75, I might fail several times in a row before I'm rewarded with a skill level increase.

With the 10-point crafting buff, I can use the next tier of fragments (in this case 75) to power through skill levels 66 through 75. If you haven't tried it and hate wasting 5 or 6 fragments in a row without leveling up, give this idea a shot.

[Rimalder]

Bottom line: what are the impact of the new containers to Talisman Making?

For example, if I want to use...

lvl 200 blue fragment
lvl 175 blue essence
lvl 175 white curio
lvl 150 white gold
lvl 1 white container

will this still result in a +16 effect / 5 day duration talisman?

[Drakhon]

You could try it and tell us what happens. :)

[Cillbo]

I recommend the addons Crafting Willard, and Crafting tooltips. The Willard is currently broken with the 1.2 patch, but tooltips seems to be updated. They can help you figure out what items have what effect.