Is WH dead?

[Cali]

Well it seems Mytic has reached it's goal of driving all Destro from the lands. I got on this morning and checked all the zones. Order controlled all but one keep. Praag and Dragonwake where counting down to a flip all BO's in each zone where taken. Seeing a chance to take some BO's I tried to get a WB going. The force I could muster was myself, one Zealot and one choppa that was it. There was a time not to lone ago I could raise a force of 2 full WB this time of day. I do not see way of stopping the tide that is sweeping the land. Mytic has driven the fight out of Destro with their refuseal to fix major problem with the char balance and flaws with the game. What do others think!

[Chaelyn]

I think it's summer, and the School time is quickly approaching, and if most parents are like me, they're trying to get their back to school shopping done BEFORE the big rush in late August.

[Fhuul]

The balance issues are a nuisance but they aren't all that terrible. Order has the edge but it's by no means insurmountable. The problem is the rest of the game is pretty buggy and runs terrible in any kind of larger scale fight, which magnifies the perceived gaps in balance by a huge margin.

Try to kite away from an incoming BW bomb and you get stuck on a rock for a second, or there's a big fight nearby so your defensive abilities take a few keypresses before they fire. Chances are most smart players would've been able to counter the incoming attack and keep trucking if it weren't for the lag.

The thing with WAR is you eventually get used to the "UI Grind" and learn to try and fight through it, but the problem becomes really apparent when you take a break from the game and come back to it with fresh eyes.

If Mythic plopped this down on an engine that could handle it smoothly, I think you would see much less outright quitting during the rough patches, and more people just taking a quick breather before hopping back in. End game is still poop, but if you can take some pleasure out of the general fighting in a responsive client, the game can be a lot of fun. Classes are great, artwork is decent, general ORVR gameplay is fun until the fort and city stages.

[Scarr]

I am playing a Postman in Free Realms. Sorry for my absence.

[Warseth]

Truth here not assumption negative stuff:

One of our members checked out warheap which measures active 40s who have gained 1 rp in the last week....

The numbers are drastically down badly. Check for yourself.

Doing /who 40 the numbers were stupidly low... age of conan low...anyone who has played that knows what I mean.

It seems the death blow has been dealt. I have not seen any game recover quickly from a mass exodus of activity. Only one game I heard of came from the death brink was AC from what I heard. Never played it.

I have had many chances to beta, or core beta test (alpha)...and I have been on many sinking ships before. This is very apparent we are on a boat that is sinking ...

There is only one thing I can think of that will bring back population: Drastic change. And Quickly. No way in hell I can see that happening because I don't know what would bring back an already fed up player who makes the leap to stop. I know what its like to be so fed up and quit. It's near impossible to bring one back after they made that hard decision to give up all they worked for on.

To be very honest. WH is done for when it comes to being a big popular game it was early this year. Only the niche die hards will stick around.

Major server consolidation to up population thats left is in order to at the least to keep populations up on servers.... Retaining that group is another ball game ...

The probability of this game taking another huge blow to activity is *HIGH with AION , Champions Online, and Dragon Age: origins around the corner.

Fact is I think its safe to say ... Good bye to those who are leaving. Wish you all well. Those that hold out..I wish you the best...For me this game has reached the back burner category. It will join my other games I distract myself with on short bursts as I wait to see what happens.

[Vasan]

Well, let's see how tonights rvr goes, and also check the weekend's rvr activity.

We'll see where we are then.

Oh, and it's all fort and city seiges at this point. Has been for awhile.

[Vydor]

I hate to say "wait til we see how this patch impacts the game", but well.....it just seems like we are being dragged along by the "wait and see" promise.

Things are definately NOT good for the realm. Order players across all servers seems to be healthy, and out number destro. That should tell you something.

However, I know I am not going anywhere and will continue to be in the game and here on the boards doing whatever I can to make a difference.

[Trul]

we have like 700 destruction 40's who gained 1rp, i dont call that low. Order has 900, closer to 1000. Our server is the only WAR server where Order just outnumbers destruction significantly.

Wareth your entire post is misleading. The activity on our server is nothing like Conan. We have a lot of people here. There is not a high chance of mass exodus. There are just a lot of destruction players who are frustrated by getting their arse beat by order who outnumber us. The main problem with our server is population imbalance, not population.

[Dall dies to much]

we have like 700 destruction 40's who gained 1rp, i dont call that low. Order has 900, closer to 1000. Our server is the only WAR server where Order just outnumbers destruction significantly.

Wareth your entire post is misleading. The activity on our server is nothing like Conan. We have a lot of people here. There is not a high chance of mass exodus. There are just a lot of destruction players who are frustrated by getting their arse beat by order who outnumber us. The main problem with our server is population imbalance, not population.

when we were in the order city every other day the numbers were around 1400 for order and 1480 for destro

you know... 2.5 months ago

so ya, for PT... in 2.5 months or so we have lost 1/2 our active lvl 40 population

[Vasan]

Well judging by this weekend, I believe the server is on life support.

Very empty, very dead.

It's a medium/medium at the moment, but I just don't see where the population is.

[Aoann]

I really can't find the energy to log in to see things fail but at the same time, I've been having a ton of family thing going on lately.

[Athelstaine]

Well judging by this weekend, I believe the server is on life support.

Very empty, very dead.

It's a medium/medium at the moment, but I just don't see where the population is.


Heh, i think that medium is an overflow from order's side of the slash,lol.

[Gisli]

Tonight when I got on, Order had pushed to all of our defensive zones, and there were few people doing RvR. I rallied up a warband (that was easy, so I guess there was pent up demand to do some RvR, not sure why people weren't already out doing it). We skirmished a bit -- unsuccessfully due to large Order numbers -- and then set up for a fort defense. Others were getting ready for the defense, too. First Fell Landing opened, and about 15 minutes later the Maw opened. Then almost exactly 60 minutes after Fell landing, Butcher's pass opened. The initial Fell Landing assault was pretty weak, so we stopped them opening the inner door. We shifted around at the right times, and had just enough people, that we held all three forts.

OK, the point to this story is that I think we had maybe 100 people all together across all of T4 during the fortress defenses. Very few people out before that. And soon as the fortress defenses were over, we probably dropped to less than 50 RvRing in all T4 zones. I don't know how many Order had. But it seems like our people are not so interested in doing regular open RvR. Of course, 100 at peak with multiple fort defenses is still small numbers, which shows how much the overall population has dropped.

I know of people who just quit or are in the process of winding up their subscriptions, so the numbers will continue to drop below even what we have now.

[Ketu]

personally, i enjoy standing around for 3 minutes at a time. hence my account status.



... i may be bored, but not bored enough to pay $15.

[Kordine]

There were pretty fast Nordenwatch pop's all the weekend when I was on. Thats where your players are. Bonus renown and no lag so you get a chance to fight and actually use skill.

I don't have much interest in laggy Fort battles right now. We lost Fell Landing on Friday due to lag and it just kills the fun.

[Perle]

Well judging by this weekend, I believe the server is on life support.

Very empty, very dead.

It's a medium/medium at the moment, but I just don't see where the population is.

I'm a newcomer here, but compared to my old server, it was hopping like crazy. Yeah, Sunday was pretty slow, but it is the summer. Summers are always slower because there's fun things to do outside, friends to see, etc.

In any case, I hope you're wrong :)

[Vydor]

What can we tell people to get them to come back to this game? To get them from their alts, if people are actually playing alts?

What is there to look forward to for the average Destro player? We cannot mount a force large enough to push a fort..much less have it filled with enough geared and experienced players to actually win at said fort.

Do we need to have nightly spearheaded efforts at trying to actually roll one paring? Trying to play defense against their horde isn't working out so well.

[Akalukz]

As a player from a smallish guild. I can say that one thing that really hurts Destro ORvR. The fact that very very few people run an open warband. Even less communicate in the /1 if there is a warband, but its full. Instead you will see numerous people saying... any action???? crickets... then they leave.

[Gisli]

Akalukz -- I think you are right on the money with this comment. You would had to have been at these forums a couple of months ago to appreciate how much irony there is in your post....

[Warseth]

we have like 700 destruction 40's who gained 1rp, i dont call that low. Order has 900, closer to 1000. Our server is the only WAR server where Order just outnumbers destruction significantly.

Wareth your entire post is misleading. The activity on our server is nothing like Conan. We have a lot of people here. There is not a high chance of mass exodus. There are just a lot of destruction players who are frustrated by getting their arse beat by order who outnumber us. The main problem with our server is population imbalance, not population.

Misleading how? Tell that to Warheap... then I gave a opinion on how felt.
So you don't feel the same. Does that matter?

I know what see and i've been here since pre-launch and closed beta. The comparison to Conan is not on the why its fail. The comparison is towards how one month it's crazy active. And another the dramatic difference is astounding. That is my comparison. Conan was such an epic fail on so many levels. Warhammer is not exactly like that. When it comes to population I see a resemblance on how I felt in the last game that was sinking. Back then I kept saying "Wait and see". a whole lot to.

I am starting to say the same thing all over again. "wait and see"...this time around i have lost optimism I once had.

And yes there is a chance there will be a mass exodus. All its going to take is one more big F-Up on developers part. The community can't handle any more BS.

At the same time the game is still salvageable. That is also something still greatly possible. I see we are at a crossroad at this time...

[Kordine]

There was a live event on for the whole weekend that got fast scenario pops. Don't discount that in your thinking about how quiet ORvR was.

[Warseth]

There was a live event on for the whole weekend that got fast scenario pops. Don't discount that in your thinking about how quiet ORvR was.

My original post was before the weekend. And the reply is in reference to the original post. Has nothing to do with the weekend that just past by. So it's neither counted or discounted ...

[Kordine]

Sure. I just know I have made the mistake of trying to judge the server based on ORvR during a live event and it's just not a proper representation IMO.

I know I am leveling another toon so my time in ORvR will be limited.

I don't know what we do going forward because gear is becoming more of an issue in T4. Order constantly farming LotD and getting the armor, weapons, trinkets and pocket items makes them harder to kill. Add in the population difference and the realm imbalance across classes and we are in a bind.

[Gisli]

One of the easiest ways to get greater wards is to participate in zone flips. But since we don't flip zones too often these days, we aren't getting those. Nor do we get the conquerer tokens associated with zone flips that would let us buy the conquerer gear. All of which would go a long way toward parity on gear with all but the most elite of Order players. LotD isn't nearly such a big deal as simply getting enough bodies out to get the zone flips.

[Vydor]

Well, if we could flip zones we could get into LOTD as well. There ARE extremely nice items to have there.

I'm afraid though, unless we committ our entire RvR force to one zone at a time, the chances of us flipping a zone are slim.

[Kordine]

One of my guild members that has been doing a lot of oRvR lately says he gets frustrated by us trying to work on multiple zones at the same time when we don't have the numbers for it. I know guarding is boring but trying to do multiple things at once and failing at both will harm morale.

[Lonerloe]

Just give it a flippin rest. I will decide whether I enjoy playing or not. When I am not I won't be on. When that happens I will not try to convince other people that they are not enjoying it.

[Dall dies to much]

Sure. I just know I have made the mistake of trying to judge the server based on ORvR during a live event and it's just not a proper representation IMO.

I know I am leveling another toon so my time in ORvR will be limited.

I don't know what we do going forward because gear is becoming more of an issue in T4. Order constantly farming LotD and getting the armor, weapons, trinkets and pocket items makes them harder to kill. Add in the population difference and the realm imbalance across classes and we are in a bind.

here is a scary thought.. order isn't in LOTD when htye have it... roamed around lotd for 3.5 hours with a guildie...from about 6:30 est to like 10 pm est

know how many different order we saw?

9

[Cambios]

The problem is the rest of the game is pretty buggy and runs terrible in any kind of larger scale fight, which magnifies the perceived gaps in balance by a huge margin.

Well, for me, the last 6+ months the game has run pretty darn well with almost no lag to speak of. As for getting stuck on rocks, that happens to attackers as well.

The problem is realm balance and too much CC. That really just killed Destro, and in turn the game.

[Bulvip Shinkicker]

Its easy to play with almost no lag when you don't have many users taking up the bandwidth!

Hi everybody!

[Meddea]

I think it's summer, and the School time is quickly approaching, and if most parents are like me, they're trying to get their back to school shopping done BEFORE the big rush in late August.

uhh absolutely NOT. this is a ridiculous "reason". Sorry. Goes much deeper. Most of us don't have children and/or family, so this does not pertain to at least 50% of us.

[Chaelyn]

uhh absolutely NOT. this is a ridiculous "reason". Sorry. Goes much deeper. Most of us don't have children and/or family, so this does not pertain to at least 50% of us.


You might be surprised; I know a good chunk of people in ASC are parents, and know quite a few in DT who are as well.
I would also advise against calling something "ridiculous" merely because it doesn't apply to YOU directly. There is a reason I said "if" in that statement.

There is ALWAYS a dropoff in activity in MMOs during the summer; for some games it's not very noticeable, but when population's already low, it hits harder.

[Gisli]

The OP was in particular referring to a disproportionate dropoff in Destro playtime vs. Order playtime. While I think that you are right to say that all MMOs get reduced play in summer, I don't think we can use that to explain any difference between the realms. That would just be propagating the myth (which gets used as an excuse) that Order player demographics are significantly different from ours.

[Chaelyn]

The OP was in particular referring to a disproportionate dropoff in Destro playtime vs. Order playtime. While I think that you are right to say that all MMOs get reduced play in summer, I don't think we can use that to explain any difference between the realms. That would just be propagating the myth (which gets used as an excuse) that Order player demographics are significantly different from ours.

Yeah, I never understood that; whilst it may seem like there's less mature players in Order, I can't imagine there's that big a difference in ages tween the two realms, but I do know less Destro are playing. I suspect it's more due to the morale issues which're hopefully on their way up, though I'm sorry I missed us getting to Altdorf the other day :P

[Warseth]

As I keep reading and contemplating about things. I keep coming back around to blaming not classes, order, destro, bugs, etc etc....it all comes down to #'s.

The battle that sticks out the most is the day we had 2 WB out. In a short period a 5 wb order herd decimated us and rvr fell on its face that day.

You may not see this comment coming next as I do. I believe thanks to the damn server transfers it was so disruptive to our community and population scale that it was the hole in the dam that lead to where we are now.

I wish you all the best and sorry for bringing up my not so colorful view of how things went down.

Ill be hoping that activity recovery comes back for Destro to maybe check out the new Forts and city. Honestly wish you all the best but I have zero hope in War at this time. When I see a reason to have some hope, I will be back to see how things go. Again till then I wish you all the best.

[Korasia]

Wow your reef is REALLY cool :D

[Kordine]

Not all of the Ostermark Order came to PT as Order. Some of them went elsewhere to play. I think numbers of Oster transfers were relatively balanced. I think as much of a problem was caused by the Destro domination after the transfer. A bunch of Destro rerolled Order and Mythic gave them a renown bonus so other people tranferred to that realm. By the time those people levelled to T4 the numbers then became a problem.

[Malifex]

I know of a buncha people (me) included that went Destro when the server merge happened. Most order tho STAYED order. I think the breaking point was all the crap that went down with Joven leading(which I thought was great cause someones gotta do it). I think people left because of the drama around them and from I read lots of the ones responsible for it left shortly afterwards. I am sticking with WAR even thru all this because for my ultra-casual playstyle it fits. I also have noticed Destro is gettin better and better and handing Order their asses.

[Fhuul]

I don't think the Joven drama had as big of an impact as it appears - a lot of bluster and bluffing on the forums. In game, most people probably didn't know/didn't care about it.

There were a lot of folks simply playing out their subs right before LOTD hit, and when it didn't deliver what they wanted, they just walked away. The Joven thing couldn't have been more than icing on the cake for those that payed any kind of attention to the forums/politics BS.

That being said.. I'm surprised at some of the stuff that's coming out in the upcoming patches, and really anxious to hear about this performance increases they made in 1.3.1. They might be able to pull a Conan and slowly build the game back up to a solid niche product, though hopefully they can maintain a better community than Funcom did.

Also, F----u-----*static hiss* ----y-------o-----o------Th----a----a----n-----o-----r----r----

[Malifex]

Also, F----u-----*static hiss* ----y-------o-----o------Th----a----a----n-----o-----r----r----


Ahh kinda sounds like the last thing you guys said when we wiped in EQ2 all those years ago. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. To bad it took what 2 years to get that said?

[Fhuul]

You said you weren't gonna heal me anymore and never came back. :(

[Malifex]

I man of my word I am. Seriously tho I would log into nobody around...ever.
So I left too.

I get here and roll a Sorc and you up and leave. Must be the famous canukian jealousy. I never understood it because I am big fan of Canadian bacon. :confused:

Like Brego said. You guys(Canada) are like the guy who lives next door to a really big fun party(USA) but are never invited hehe.

[Fhuul]

Bah, you guys came late to the PT party, shoulda rolled here at the start!

As for the USA party.. Well Canada is the one waking up bright and early the next morning, picking beer cans off the lawn and hosing puke off the driveway.

[Gutzntoez]

then they play street hockey and knock all of our windows out! dirty Canadians!