For the love of Bob STFU about Aion

[Trul]

I don't care about how great the closed beta server's performance is. All this means is that NCSoft's marketing department gave some advice and someone may have listened and possibly rented a better than normal server to gather hype. But better performance doesn't mean jack right now because of the fact that the population of the server is so low and dispersed that you will never find anything comparable to a city siege or a fort siege in WAR.

There is a rather large group of people who are providing misleading information about Aion and WAR, making Aion appear more appealing than it will be. Aion is still in closed freaking beta. The developer, NCSoft, has never had a big thing outside of South Korea and has relied heavily on a revenue stream directly from farmers. The graphics and storyline are unappealing. The pvp reward system is incredibly vulnerable to gankers and griefers, since you gain "rps" from killing people and lose "rps" from dying to other people. All of these traits are classic NCSoft "capabilities."

Yes WAR has its flaws, but if something is bugged report it and provide feedback, don't complain about ever little thing. Guess what the Dev's are listening. The latest nerf patch got rid of BW bomb groups. No, you probably didn't like how they did it, but it worked. Most of the complainers out there are going to whine no matter what gets changed, unless their class gets god mode.

In conclusion, STFU about Aion. If you want to play it go right ahead, but make sure you leave WAR now because I don't want to hear your bitching. I already get enough of that from my gf.

[Scorpius Mjolnir]

I don't know who wee'd in your coffee this morning, but it might be helpful for you to take a few minutes and calm down a bit. You blew your stack in guild chat at me for being upset about a bug, and then yelled at me to "enjoy Aion, it's going to suck", when I have stated in a couple threads now it's not a game I'm interested in.

Yes, WAR is better since this last patch. Yet there are a things that have broken for some time and Mythic is either inable, or incapable, of fixing them. Same result either way.

It's not unreasonable for folks to look towards the future after giving Mythic a year to iron things out. It's not unreasonable to discuss it here, since we all started in DAOC together and generally enjoy playing together. Some of us on this board were former enemies in DAOC.

If Aion is as horrible as you state, then people will naturally flow back here or to another place. Making them feel unwelcome will hinder people that do flow back, from flowing here. They may take the opportunity to flow to a less hostile environment. For a lot of us here, playing with the guild is as important as what game it is. Making guildies feel unwelcome wether in guild chat, or on these boards, will do more to destroy this group of friends than any whining or game hopping could.


edit: and to be fair, i been whining too much lately. pee in my coffee too it seems

[Llyweln]

Sorry your gf bitches at you........wonder why that is.....:P

yes its a joke......relax tiger.

[Drakhon]

There will always be people that latch onto a game and promote it beyond all reason - WAR had them too. I probably even talked it up too much to my friends and glossed over or explained away the flaws after being in the beta for over a year because I wanted it to be awesome. I wanted my friends to play it with me and I was bitter about WoW.

Aion may not turn out as fun as I think it will. The opening will be large no matter what at this point, but it could flop quickly after that. It could be ridiculously huge and I could play it longer than I've played any other MMO. We just don't know yet. I provide information that is factual (to my knowledge) or my opinion, where appropriate. I will not act in the fanboyish way I did for WAR because that doesn't help.

Aion isn't perfect and definitely doesn't/won't appeal to everyone, but that isn't a reason to not discuss it.

The simple fact is that I am finding the time I've been able to spend in Aion more enjoyable than WAR in its current state. I love Warhammer. I've always been a big fan of Mythic. I'd love to play WAR for years, but I learned during my time in WoW that it's only worth playing something you are enjoying (no matter the reason) and right now I'm not enjoying WAR.

[Dall dies to much]

I don't care about how great the closed beta server's performance is. All this means is that NCSoft's marketing department gave some advice and someone may have listened and possibly rented a better than normal server to gather hype. But better performance doesn't mean jack right now because of the fact that the population of the server is so low and dispersed that you will never find anything comparable to a city siege or a fort siege in WAR.

There is a rather large group of people who are providing misleading information about Aion and WAR, making Aion appear more appealing than it will be. Aion is still in closed freaking beta. The developer, NCSoft, has never had a big thing outside of South Korea and has relied heavily on a revenue stream directly from farmers. The graphics and storyline are unappealing. The pvp reward system is incredibly vulnerable to gankers and griefers, since you gain "rps" from killing people and lose "rps" from dying to other people. All of these traits are classic NCSoft "capabilities."

Yes WAR has its flaws, but if something is bugged report it and provide feedback, don't complain about ever little thing. Guess what the Dev's are listening. The latest nerf patch got rid of BW bomb groups. No, you probably didn't like how they did it, but it worked. Most of the complainers out there are going to whine no matter what gets changed, unless their class gets god mode.

In conclusion, STFU about Aion. If you want to play it go right ahead, but make sure you leave WAR now because I don't want to hear your bitching. I already get enough of that from my gf.

last patch made BW bomb grps stronger.. so your wrong about that...lets see what esle you are wrong about...

secondly, Aion has been in release for over a year in asia... so I don't know what you THINK you know, but the "beta" here is basicly testing the translations and a new patch for the Asian markets

the beta here is a pre-view of the game for everyone, this isn't like Mythic's beta, and it is working

and WOW.. what a CONCPET... getting things for ganking people in a pvp game.. you know... like some game a lot of us played.... damn what was that called?

Daoc

NCsoft also made guildwars and CoH/CoV for american markets... I wouldn't call those failures


next time you decide to rant, don't

[Knight_Marshal]

Who is Bob? Is that your 'gf'? (Not that I am judging. Whatever floats your boat)

If not, then does your gf know about your love of Bob? :p

People talk about new games. Especially when they are dissatisfied with their current game. If they think the new game is good enough or the old game has become bad enough, the talk increases. Then it stops as people move to the new game.

Until it starts again there.

[Sethial]

I hate Bob, therefore have no reason to stop talking about Aion.

Of course I haven't been, but I should start now.

[Aoann]

Bob. :) He is a good guy.

[Trul]

Whoever moved this thread is an arsenugget.

(I am laughing to myself right now)

[Fhuul]

Good idea to get this stuff out into its own little area though. Keeps it from the eyes of those who don't wanna see it, but allows those that are interested to still discuss and coordinate.

[[ASC] Squiggie]

Bob? The perv spirit that's trapped in a skull and reads trashy romance novels?

That guy is so cool! :D

[Seiga]

There is a rather large group of people who are providing misleading information about Aion and WAR, making Aion appear more appealing than it will be. Aion is still in closed freaking beta. The developer, NCSoft, has never had a big thing outside of South Korea and has relied heavily on a revenue stream directly from farmers. The graphics and storyline are unappealing. The pvp reward system is incredibly vulnerable to gankers and griefers, since you gain "rps" from killing people and lose "rps" from dying to other people. All of these traits are classic NCSoft "capabilities."

Yes WAR has its flaws, but if something is bugged report it and provide feedback, don't complain about ever little thing. Guess what the Dev's are listening. The latest nerf patch got rid of BW bomb groups. No, you probably didn't like how they did it, but it worked. Most of the complainers out there are going to whine no matter what gets changed, unless their class gets god mode.

In conclusion, STFU about Aion. If you want to play it go right ahead, but make sure you leave WAR now because I don't want to hear your bitching. I already get enough of that from my gf.

Um... I think i'll continue to talk about Aion here since that's why this section is here tyvm. First off, the reason it's BETA in NA right now is not because there's bugs or stuff they need to fix. The game has been out for a Year in Korea, and roughly 4-5 months now in China/Japan. Translation dynamics are the reason why they are testing out in NA before release. This game features virtually no lag (they really need to start stress testing soon), no casting lag (thank god), and much more dynamic story with great PvP (Yes, there's consequences when you die in PvP).

You speak about how WAR has flaws as if it were minor things. WRONG! WAR has broken content from all degrees. This patch proved they can fix AoE, but at the cost of others in the most rediculous way there is. 1 second cast still takes 3-4 seconds to release. CTD issues still remain. End Game is completely broken. Servers are Proxied (dumbest concept ever for a game that involves PvP).

Report and provide feedback. I was the biggest advocaters for this. My record can speak for itself on the official boards. Even PM's that I have gotten from their dev teams. Mythic has idiots developing their content, plain and simple. Shrewd's post on WHA proves that honestly, people do care about this game and want to see it work. But Mythic won't listen. That's their track record. They broke DAOC when TOA came out, and they didn't even get a chance to break this game when it was already broke. Mythic did in a year what most MMO's don't face til 3-4 years later.

So no, I will continue to talk about Aion, tyvm.


~Seiga.

[Athelstaine]

So what are the penalties of dying in Aion? I dont mind xp loss are to some extent some coin,if you start getting stripped of tiems and what have you, i may have to rethink playing. Guess i am just not that hardcore of a pvp'er. I was kind of hoping to have a form of RvR not loot whore pvp.

[Drakhon]

PvE death: XP loss, some (all? not sure) of which can be purchased back from the Soul Healer, but it's not cheap.
PvP death: AP loss (value determined by Abyss ranks), obvious negative effect on Kill/Death ratio.

[Fhuul]

Um... I think i'll continue to talk about Aion here since that's why this section is here tyvm. First off, the reason it's BETA in NA right now is not because there's bugs or stuff they need to fix. The game has been out for a Year in Korea, and roughly 4-5 months now in China/Japan. Translation dynamics are the reason why they are testing out in NA before release. This game features virtually no lag (they really need to start stress testing soon), no casting lag (thank god), and much more dynamic story with great PvP (Yes, there's consequences when you die in PvP).

You speak about how WAR has flaws as if it were minor things. WRONG! WAR has broken content from all degrees. This patch proved they can fix AoE, but at the cost of others in the most rediculous way there is. 1 second cast still takes 3-4 seconds to release. CTD issues still remain. End Game is completely broken. Servers are Proxied (dumbest concept ever for a game that involves PvP).

Report and provide feedback. I was the biggest advocaters for this. My record can speak for itself on the official boards. Even PM's that I have gotten from their dev teams. Mythic has idiots developing their content, plain and simple. Shrewd's post on WHA proves that honestly, people do care about this game and want to see it work. But Mythic won't listen. That's their track record. They broke DAOC when TOA came out, and they didn't even get a chance to break this game when it was already broke. Mythic did in a year what most MMO's don't face til 3-4 years later.

So no, I will continue to talk about Aion, tyvm.


~Seiga.

In Trul's defense, there was no AION section when he started the thread.. :D

But spot on for the rest!

[Isak]

Nope, the Aion section was created before the thread.

[Trul]

Actually, the Aion section was partly created on account of my thread...

So kiss my green arse you hater :p

Isak, if you were more like Bob I would love you.

[Aoann]

Actually, the Aion section was partly created on account of my thread...

So kiss my green arse you hater :p

Isak, if you were more like Bob I would love you.

You don't know that he isn't? :)

[Isak]

Actually, the Aion section was partly created on account of my thread...

So kiss my green arse you hater :p

Isak, if you were more like Bob I would love you.

But I don't wanna be like Bob, he has a gland condition. :puke:

[Vasan]

What About Bob?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103241/

Death Therapy, Bob. It's a guaranteed cure.

[Dakai]

I am Bob's sub conscious self loathing!

[Vasan]

I am Bob's sub conscious self loathing!

Lol!

[Seiga]

In Trul's defense, there was no AION section when he started the thread.. :D

But spot on for the rest!

It was more of the... "I see what you did thar" statement :p .


~Seiga.

[joven]

Inherant Problems in Aion.
1st it is a grind game. The Grind will not seem bad until you hit your early 30s.
2nd when you lose exp and levels you do not lose your abilities. Damage and effect are tied to weapons & abilities. This means if someone levels to cap (I believe 70) then drops back to say 20th level they will still be able to hit people with their 70th level abilities. Who would do this? People who play the game for a living thats who. (this is called retro leveling)

You think the use of war buddy is bad in warhammer? You aint seen nothing yet. Check out walker for Aion. It only costs you $7 dollars a month to use.
Furthermore within 2 weeks of launch the newbee areas will be flooded with retro leveling people with such charming names as xxloveyouxx and xxownyouxx. Farming clans use names to identify each other. Adena Inc. is famous for variations of the loveyou name. They will be using these level 50-70 abilities on your level 20 toons to drive you out of areas they wish to control (Farm). You have a quest there? Too bad! You could of course 'pay' them for the privilage of using the area though, as I know many guilds finally resorted to doing in Lineage II.

Now maybe, just maybe you guys will be able to build such a big guild that this will not be a problem for you, but do you want Aion to consume your life? If you piss off one of these clans just once, they will hunt you 24/7 for weeks on end. These clans play their characters in shift, remember the 'farmers' movie? Those people were playing Aion's ancestor, Lineage II.

What none of you have not experienced yet is the huge fields of people afk selling (Shops) but really scamming people, or the farmer caused inflation of crafting mats. Within a month higher end mats will be selling for 100 adena each, 1000 a month after that. You have seen the crafting system. By level 30 you need 1000+ items to create the armor and weapons for that armor, with out those weapons you character will be severly gimped.

From what I read, if you die too many times you will also beging to drop money and items from your inventory. Lineage II had this really nice feature also. You could find some arsehat always training mobs onto people trying to level just so that he would build up that kill/death ratio and eventually start dropping their hardwon weapons/armor. Remember you most probably sold off your previous set of armor to help fund your next set... We are talking about and exponential growth of man hours need to aquire your equipment starting at around 1 hour and growing to around 1000 hours by level cap.

Aion is build for the Asian market, where it is perfectly acceptable for people to spend 10+ hours a day playing the game. Yes these are 'north american' servers, but do not be so naive to believe that you had better learn Chinese and Korean as the farmer clans move in to capitalize on your misfortune.

I will not deny that Aion is pretty, and the game play is really nice, but those of you who say no lag? Wait till you get 100+ people in a small area... All those pretty graphics and spell effects and you will be in slide show mode quicker than a dwarf's breath can knock flies off a shit wagon.

One thing Lineage II taught me, someone who use to consider himself 'hardcore'... We got absolutely nothing on the Asians.

Personally I wish you all good luck and hope I am wrong about Aion. I really meant it when I said War is my last MMO.

[Vasan]

I appreciate the warning Joven, always good to be prepared!

That said I've heard Aion functions off an xp debt system, such as CoH, and you never drop items, nor levels. So no retro leveling allowed. You do lose Abyss points however.

Seems we are hearing different things regarding that. Still do hear it's a bit of a grind and quests aren't really all that, and dry up after 30.

That said, I keep hearing it's fun.

Still, as always, I would wait for the free open beta before jumping into any new game. And I would stay the hell away from the upcoming Lineage III after hearing the horror stories from you and Trul.

[Gisli]

We need to make sure that we are looking at Aion information, not Lineage 2 information. Companies do have characteristics that they carry from game to game (such as DAOC -> Warhammer and EQ -> EQ 2), but the games really do change from one to the next. We do need to find out more about the potential for farming abuse. Just like we need to know more about the RvR potential. The XP and gear loss issues appear not to be relevant to Aion. And it seems that the level grind won't be any worse than, say, Warhammer.

[Seiga]

Inherant Problems in Aion.
1st it is a grind game. The Grind will not seem bad until you hit your early 30s.
2nd when you lose exp and levels you do not lose your abilities. Damage and effect are tied to weapons & abilities. This means if someone levels to cap (I believe 70) then drops back to say 20th level they will still be able to hit people with their 70th level abilities. Who would do this? People who play the game for a living thats who. (this is called retro leveling)

You think the use of war buddy is bad in warhammer? You aint seen nothing yet. Check out walker for Aion. It only costs you $7 dollars a month to use.
Furthermore within 2 weeks of launch the newbee areas will be flooded with retro leveling people with such charming names as xxloveyouxx and xxownyouxx. Farming clans use names to identify each other. Adena Inc. is famous for variations of the loveyou name. They will be using these level 50-70 abilities on your level 20 toons to drive you out of areas they wish to control (Farm). You have a quest there? Too bad! You could of course 'pay' them for the privilage of using the area though, as I know many guilds finally resorted to doing in Lineage II.

Now maybe, just maybe you guys will be able to build such a big guild that this will not be a problem for you, but do you want Aion to consume your life? If you piss off one of these clans just once, they will hunt you 24/7 for weeks on end. These clans play their characters in shift, remember the 'farmers' movie? Those people were playing Aion's ancestor, Lineage II.

What none of you have not experienced yet is the huge fields of people afk selling (Shops) but really scamming people, or the farmer caused inflation of crafting mats. Within a month higher end mats will be selling for 100 adena each, 1000 a month after that. You have seen the crafting system. By level 30 you need 1000+ items to create the armor and weapons for that armor, with out those weapons you character will be severly gimped.

From what I read, if you die too many times you will also beging to drop money and items from your inventory. Lineage II had this really nice feature also. You could find some arsehat always training mobs onto people trying to level just so that he would build up that kill/death ratio and eventually start dropping their hardwon weapons/armor. Remember you most probably sold off your previous set of armor to help fund your next set... We are talking about and exponential growth of man hours need to aquire your equipment starting at around 1 hour and growing to around 1000 hours by level cap.

Aion is build for the Asian market, where it is perfectly acceptable for people to spend 10+ hours a day playing the game. Yes these are 'north american' servers, but do not be so naive to believe that you had better learn Chinese and Korean as the farmer clans move in to capitalize on your misfortune.

I will not deny that Aion is pretty, and the game play is really nice, but those of you who say no lag? Wait till you get 100+ people in a small area... All those pretty graphics and spell effects and you will be in slide show mode quicker than a dwarf's breath can knock flies off a shit wagon.

One thing Lineage II taught me, someone who use to consider himself 'hardcore'... We got absolutely nothing on the Asians.

Personally I wish you all good luck and hope I am wrong about Aion. I really meant it when I said War is my last MMO.

WTH are you talking about? First off, if you level, you level! there is no exp loss to drop level. There is EXP loss yes, which you can buy back. Second, yes, there is penalty for dying in PvP. You lose Abyss points. That is all, not exp. But if you have already spent abyss points, the gear is yours and doesn't un-equip when you lose points. Third, level cap is 50, not 70.

Grief questing was always there for folks. Look at WoW PvP Servers and even DAOC's Mordred server. Mordred was the worst, you would simply get ganked by your own faction. But a lot of folks thought it was fun. WoW had similar concept where Alliance would gank Horde in contested areas, and vicea versa. BTW, the retro starting areas you speak of... yeah, they're channel instanced!!! If one spot is farmed, change channels. Same concept from Guildwars. Now, once you hit the Level 20 area, then things change.

As far as the guild thing goes, just like WAR, a guild in Aion levels on it's own. You can only start off with 30 characters in 1 guild maximum. As you progress that number goes higher. I'm not sure what the max is right now.

Now.. as far as the shops? That I will agree with. It's not an Auction House where inflation can be viewed by all. However, Auction houses do exist in Aion, so simply just go there if you think the player stores are too expensive.

No offense Joven, but these are wild warnings you're presenting. I'm guessing you haven't played Beta or the Asian version to tell (I have only done Beta). But don't be spreading false rumors until you get the facts straight.


~Seiga.

[Seiga]

We need to make sure that we are looking at Aion information, not Lineage 2 information. Companies do have characteristics that they carry from game to game (such as DAOC -> Warhammer and EQ -> EQ 2), but the games really do change from one to the next. We do need to find out more about the potential for farming abuse. Just like we need to know more about the RvR potential. The XP and gear loss issues appear not to be relevant to Aion. And it seems that the level grind won't be any worse than, say, Warhammer.

The grind is eventually there.. one thing that WAR had was the public quest system which was unique of its own. You just won't notice the grind until level 20. Quests and Campaigns start to require groups. But during the early phases of the game, groups shouldn't be hard to come by. If you prefer solo, solo leveling is there. But there will be a grind unfortunately.


~Seiga.

[Dakai]

We need to make sure that we are looking at Aion information, not Lineage 2 information. Companies do have characteristics that they carry from game to game (such as DAOC -> Warhammer and EQ -> EQ 2), but the games really do change from one to the next. We do need to find out more about the potential for farming abuse. Just like we need to know more about the RvR potential. The XP and gear loss issues appear not to be relevant to Aion. And it seems that the level grind won't be any worse than, say, Warhammer.


From the person who brings up DAOC daily!!!

[Fhuul]

Inherant Problems in Aion.
1st it is a grind game. The Grind will not seem bad until you hit your early 30s.
2nd when you lose exp and levels you do not lose your abilities. Damage and effect are tied to weapons & abilities. This means if someone levels to cap (I believe 70) then drops back to say 20th level they will still be able to hit people with their 70th level abilities. Who would do this? People who play the game for a living thats who. (this is called retro leveling)

You think the use of war buddy is bad in warhammer? You aint seen nothing yet. Check out walker for Aion. It only costs you $7 dollars a month to use.
Furthermore within 2 weeks of launch the newbee areas will be flooded with retro leveling people with such charming names as xxloveyouxx and xxownyouxx. Farming clans use names to identify each other. Adena Inc. is famous for variations of the loveyou name. They will be using these level 50-70 abilities on your level 20 toons to drive you out of areas they wish to control (Farm). You have a quest there? Too bad! You could of course 'pay' them for the privilage of using the area though, as I know many guilds finally resorted to doing in Lineage II.

Now maybe, just maybe you guys will be able to build such a big guild that this will not be a problem for you, but do you want Aion to consume your life? If you piss off one of these clans just once, they will hunt you 24/7 for weeks on end. These clans play their characters in shift, remember the 'farmers' movie? Those people were playing Aion's ancestor, Lineage II.

What none of you have not experienced yet is the huge fields of people afk selling (Shops) but really scamming people, or the farmer caused inflation of crafting mats. Within a month higher end mats will be selling for 100 adena each, 1000 a month after that. You have seen the crafting system. By level 30 you need 1000+ items to create the armor and weapons for that armor, with out those weapons you character will be severly gimped.

From what I read, if you die too many times you will also beging to drop money and items from your inventory. Lineage II had this really nice feature also. You could find some arsehat always training mobs onto people trying to level just so that he would build up that kill/death ratio and eventually start dropping their hardwon weapons/armor. Remember you most probably sold off your previous set of armor to help fund your next set... We are talking about and exponential growth of man hours need to aquire your equipment starting at around 1 hour and growing to around 1000 hours by level cap.

Aion is build for the Asian market, where it is perfectly acceptable for people to spend 10+ hours a day playing the game. Yes these are 'north american' servers, but do not be so naive to believe that you had better learn Chinese and Korean as the farmer clans move in to capitalize on your misfortune.

I will not deny that Aion is pretty, and the game play is really nice, but those of you who say no lag? Wait till you get 100+ people in a small area... All those pretty graphics and spell effects and you will be in slide show mode quicker than a dwarf's breath can knock flies off a shit wagon.

One thing Lineage II taught me, someone who use to consider himself 'hardcore'... We got absolutely nothing on the Asians.

Personally I wish you all good luck and hope I am wrong about Aion. I really meant it when I said War is my last MMO.

Sounds absolutely delicious! I'll admit I'm worried about the farming, as it's the only thing I've not seen any definite "action plan" for dealing with.

The PVP/Ganking? Fantastic.
XP Loss and a real penalty for death? Super!
Graphics with 100 plus people casting and fighting? Yep, it happens lag free on the older versions of the client so far. Took WAR several patches to really fark that up so hopefully 1.5 AION still runs great by the time NA launch hits.

[Vasan]

Sounds absolutely delicious! I'll admit I'm worried about the farming, as it's the only thing I've not seen any definite "action plan" for dealing with.

The PVP/Ganking? Fantastic.
XP Loss and a real penalty for death? Super!
Graphics with 100 plus people casting and fighting? Yep, it happens lag free on the older versions of the client so far. Took WAR several patches to really fark that up so hopefully 1.5 AION still runs great by the time NA launch hits.

Generally:

The big concern is the farming, bots and hacks. Gameguard and vague promises about removing bots aren't really a solution. You really need 3 GM's per server working 24-7 just removing bots.

The other concern is if you don't like pveing and getting ganked, it might not the game for you. Nor if you don't like the graphic style or gameplay.

The last concern is you have to do a hell of a lot of pve to get the end game, and that endgame is rather unproven at this point.

[Gisli]

"Being ganked while leveling" is pretty vague. It could be implemented well or poorly. I thought DAOC handled it well with the level of danger for doing XP grinds on the frontier, or in Darkness Falls. I played on a "PvP" server in WoW, and thought that was fine. Occasionally the other side kept me from doing what I wanted, but not often.

I think the two issues that will most affect whether it is tolerable or not are:

1) What are the death penalties? Death penalties for PvP do tend to destroy a game, in my opinion. It doesn't sound like they are too steep here, though, so I am not so worried about that.
2) What is the level difference? If super-high levels can go hit low-level players with impunity, that is not much fun for anyone.

I agree with Vasan. The two big concerns for me are:
1) Farmers, if they either stop us from doing content or make it impossible for us to get equipment without buying gold from them.
2) Whether there is any meaningful large-scale RvR.

[bluucandi]

No offense Joven, but these are wild warnings you're presenting. I'm guessing you haven't played Beta or the Asian version to tell (I have only done Beta). But don't be spreading false rumors until you get the facts straight.


~Seiga.

I agree. No need to get your bowels in a clinch because a few of us are discussing another game. Yes, unlike the OP we are not plucking opinions out of thin air.

I've been in one Aion CB so far and I'm playing the "toughest" class to level - a Ranger. I have no qualms. The mechanic of the class, generally speaking, is quite agreeable and easily manageable. The grind feels no different from WAR. The death penalties are no more severe either. The level cap, by the way, is 50.

I won't consider Aion a major breakthrough in MMO development or a WoW killer but I do view it as a fresh new place to visit. I not so big a WAR fanbois that I can't see WAR's been a downward spiral. Sad, but true.

[Seiga]

Sounds absolutely delicious! I'll admit I'm worried about the farming, as it's the only thing I've not seen any definite "action plan" for dealing with.

The PVP/Ganking? Fantastic.
XP Loss and a real penalty for death? Super!
Graphics with 100 plus people casting and fighting? Yep, it happens lag free on the older versions of the client so far. Took WAR several patches to really fark that up so hopefully 1.5 AION still runs great by the time NA launch hits.

80% of what Joven stated was wrong.


~Seiga.

[Seiga]

I agree with Vasan. The two big concerns for me are:
1) Farmers, if they either stop us from doing content or make it impossible for us to get equipment without buying gold from them.
2) Whether there is any meaningful large-scale RvR.

Farmers are going to happen, that's a given. I haven't experienced much of that in Beta, but then again, it is Beta.


~Seiga.

[joven]

As I said Seiga I hope I am wrong. Personally I really don't care. Unless you played Lineage II you have no clue though what you are getting into. Yes Lineage II was 'different', but the net effect of the community will be the same from what I am reading.

It will be a farmers paradise. I was attracted to WAR because I am a casual gamer. I am not hardcore and really do not wish to be. I want a game that I can play at my pace and still be competitive, Aion will never be that game. :D

[bluucandi]

I have no plans of playing any less casually with Aion. I simply plan on a grind to 50 and skilling up several crafts.

I don't see any epic dungeon crawling in Aion future. Just a lot of hype about the Abyss and tournaments.

[Gisli]

Farmers may be a given, in that they will exist. But in Warhammer, I don't notice that farmers affect our lives aside from the spam. So their existence is not significant, or at least not fatal.

Now, in original EQ, there were lots of significant spawn points (and in general, not enough NPC mobs to go around for daily grinding). If there had been organized farmers back then, it would have destroyed the game, because it would have kept the rest of us from playing. There was already enough contention between guilds on raid content access! In DAOC, there were also important spawn points, such as related to artifacts. Organized farming organizations could have shut that game down.

So, it all matters on how things are implemented, as to whether farming destroys the game or not. Hence my definition of the two points of particular concern related to farming.

[Fhuul]

Oh, I know it's all gross exaggeration Seiga - I've played in C-AION some, and know a few folks who have been playing the higher level content steadily. After DAOC->WAR, Anarchy Online->Conan, Asheron's Call->Asheron's Call 2, I think it's silly to base your judgement on an MMO solely on previous titles from the developer. No guarantee it's gonna be a success, no guarantee it's gonna be a flop.

In terms of the ganking, apparently if you truly want to PVE unmolested you can to an extent outside of the Abyss. A group can still rift through every so often to cause trouble, but there is a system in place that punishes high levels for ganking lowbies. First few kills are free, after that they are flagged on the map for all to track and kill, have a few debuffs, are unable to rez within the zone (hence kicked out when they die). So not gonna see the post-Tortage level of griefing, unless you go out in the Abyss (RVR Lake) to level.

[Gutzntoez]

look out 3 level 10's....i'm coming for your happy meals!

[Llyweln]

<peeks in>

[Fhuul]

*Hastily hides behind a towel*

Don't you people knock!?

[Vasan]

Gutz AND Llyweln are poking around in here <.<

sketchy!

[Scarr]

WAR sucks. AION is the next big WOW killer. If you miss the train you will be sorry.

Well, in all reality... I beat WAR. I don't have fun playing it at all anymore, not that I had that much fun in its peak.

Aion seems like at worst it will entertain me for a few months. It is actually in RETAIL, not in closed beta in the normal sense of things. The game is polished and has nearly a year of updates that will be applied to it before we even create a character on the US servers.

This is going to be the first MMO I have ever played that will be this "finished" on day one. WAR is not even to the point where it should be to call it a "release candidate", and nearing a year into post production.

Mythic is a shell of itself, nothing even close to the team who made DAOC. So if you think that game is going anywhere but for sure server merges and depleted rosters amoung guilds, then you are in for a rude awakening.

This year has Aion coming out for the MMORPG community. Huxley and Global Agenda for the MMOFPS groups, Diablo III and Starcraft 2 are just around the corner... FOOTBALL season is upon us! WAR is doomed.

[Haelle]

<peeks in>

Oh man, don't tell me you're following me into yet another online game :p

[Llyweln]

pfft, I didnt follow you anywhere, kinda hard when you dont play now huh? :P
omg d3!!!!

[Haelle]

I actually played 3x last week...been too nice to be online. I'm not like you and get excellent weather 10 months of the year.

It's August and we JUST NOW are hitting a stretch of warm, summer weather. It could snow in September :(

[Fhuul]

It was farking 104 with the humidex here in Canuckistan yersterday.. Meanwhile I'm talkin' to Xusia and family in Vegas, and they are enjoying life with the windows open and cool breezes in the middle of the desert.

Getting shafted I tells ya..

[Llyweln]

Been over cast and mild here all week........finally, summer was trying to rear its ugly head, but it went away thank gods.

[bluucandi]

WAR sucks. AION is the next big WOW killer. If you miss the train you will be sorry.

Well, in all reality... I beat WAR. I don't have fun playing it at all anymore, not that I had that much fun in its peak.

Aion seems like at worst it will entertain me for a few months. It is actually in RETAIL, not in closed beta in the normal sense of things. The game is polished and has nearly a year of updates that will be applied to it before we even create a character on the US servers.

This is going to be the first MMO I have ever played that will be this "finished" on day one. WAR is not even to the point where it should be to call it a "release candidate", and nearing a year into post production.

Mythic is a shell of itself, nothing even close to the team who made DAOC. So if you think that game is going anywhere but for sure server merges and depleted rosters amoung guilds, then you are in for a rude awakening.

This year has Aion coming out for the MMORPG community. Huxley and Global Agenda for the MMOFPS groups, Diablo III and Starcraft 2 are just around the corner... FOOTBALL season is upon us! WAR is doomed.

WAR Account: canceled.

WAR has been completely removed from my hard drive... save my screenshots folder - for the memories! /sniff

I'm getting my gaming fix playing Fallout 3 until Aion releases.