Poll for Launch Server

[Gisli]

So far as we know, here is the final official word from Mythic: http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=266

This says ONE Core/RP server at launch (Phoenix Throne), and two more brought up with SE on Tuesday (Skavenblight and Avelorn). Other servers will be brought up at unspecified times as needed.

I saw a poll on another site this morning. No telling how representative it is of the overall Warhammer population, but it is the best indicator that I have seen. But according to that, 80 of 338 respondants (close to a quarter) indicated they would play on a Core/RP server.

It is a bit difficult to decide how to best structure this poll. Really, the key decision is how soon to commit. So that is how I am presenting this. My best guess is that they will bring up additional Core/RP servers during CE that are not named, and save Skavenblight and Avelorn for SE. So I'm not presenting the choices by name. I'm presenting this as though there will be additional CE rollouts. If there are none, then by default, waiting for a later server means waiting for SE.

Anther option: Go to Open RvR/RP. NOT an option for most people according to http://www.ravensofwar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=411 where nearly 90% of the respondents voted core/RP.

Another option: Go to an Oceanic server. I have no idea how feasible that would be. I'm going to leave it out of this poll, because the most important piece of information right now is to gauge the community's tolerance for waiting. We can discuss an Oceanic server separately.

This poll will close at 9:00pm tonight (Saturday). We will try to come out with something definitive at that time.

[Gisli]

Here is my opinion on things. There are going to be A LOT of Core/RP players. More than Mythic thinks, apparantly. If they bring up only the one server initially, its going to get hammered like crazy. It is possible that after more servers come up, people will shift off of Phoenix Throne, but I think too many people will stick it out there, and its going to be the longest queues of ANY server for months to come.

If we decide to wait for the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th server, we might get it the first day or we might possibly have to wait until SE.

Personally, if its just an issue of waiting hours or even two days to play on a good server, I think that is the best choice.

[Wazdakka]

This poll unavoidably leaves out some unknowns. If the second rp server isn't out until tuesday, which is basically what the herald seems to be saying, that changes my opinion. I liked it better when the plan was to play it by ear and see if the second server came out sometime on the first day.

[HesH]

After reading the Guiniviere folks post id like to specidfy my vote to if they wait for Avelorn im fine with doing the same, would like to play with them folks as it would really help us with a balance issue we'd kow for sure order would have a great bases to start off.

[Gisli]

Obviously there is room for interpretation. But if the community voted for "second RP/core server" then "play by ear waiting on second server" is effectively what we would be doing. Obviously the problem comes if there is no second server the first day. The advantage of the poll is that if we only "play by ear" then that means a couple of loudmouths screaming on Sunday morning can more easily sway the decision than if we have poll numbers that tell us to wait longer.

[Graysdir]

I'll be rolling at 7:00 AM EDT on Phoenix Throne, along with most of my friends from Percival. Hopefully you folks end up with us.

I'd rather deal with login queue's for the first few weeks to ensure I have a healthy server population for the next few years.

Knowing what I do now about DAOC server populations; if I had a choice between playing on Percival for 3-4 weeks with server queues, or playing on low-pop Nimue with no queues, I'd far rather deal with the queues. No question about it.

It will be a cesspool of lag at first but it's likely to be the busiest server, and that's where I need to be. :)

Grays

[Wazdakka]

Yeah. that I understand. I really want first day (and voted for #1) but I'd happily switch later in the day if the next one came up.



So, if by late in the day there were no second rp/core server, we might hit the first one then?

[HesH]

Gray is there no chance of talking you into waiting until say second server and keeping us and guina guys all together ... please concider it i'm more then confident servers with shift about as all games do on realease to make any of the limited 3 RP server be well populated. See if we can come to a community wide comprimise

[Vadokri]

I voted for the 2nd RPCore since my guild plans on creating Order toons on Phoenix Throne. The reason we plan on doing that is just in case there are balance issues as we see occurring currently.

[Gramel]

I would much rather wait a bit and play on a less crowded server, then sit every night waiting in a queue to get in. My vote is in, and its for the 2nd one.

[Wazdakka]

Crowding really doesn't bother me much. Server queues would go away after awhile and some short waits now definitely beat low populations down the road.

[HesH]

Well it says that first release will only be 1 RP server our style then on Standard release the other 2 .... with that being said Im perfectly fine waiting as Im not in head start and do you really think EVERYone is in head start. waiting for avelorn with guin just got even more appealing to me

[Graysdir]

Gray is there no chance of talking you into waiting until say second server and keeping us and guina guys all together ... please concider it i'm more then confident servers with shift about as all games do on realease to make any of the limited 3 RP server be well populated. See if we can come to a community wide comprimise

Hi :)

I won't wait for the second server, because we don't know for certain when there will be one, until SE release anyways. I don't mind queues. All it will mean is that it's going to be heavily populated for years to come. And in all honesty, it's not me making the decision arbitrarily; there is a large core group of us who all want to move to Phoenix Throne. I do hope you folks will decide to join us, though! Would be a pleasure to group with (or fight against) you all again!

And to those who think Guin as a whole are choosing to wait, that's not my understanding at all. Most of the Guin folks I know are going to Phoenix Throne - although I'm sure that community is split, too!

Grays

[Logard]

If we can wait until the second server comes out, I think we'd all be better off. I'll be making Order toons on the first server, hoping that it helps fill it up so they open a second one on Sunday. That way I've got both bases covered. I'd have order toons on the first server in case I ever want to play that side and I'd have my chaos toons with all you folks.

[ScarDar]

I don't think for a second the 2nd RP Core server will be any less crowded then the Phoenix one. If anything you'll see alot of people not connected to anyone, or just small groups, abadoning Pheonix outright after the 2nd one is made to get away from the queues. While everyone is sitting there on Pheonix wishing people would just leave the server and go play somewhere else so that we can play, we can instead be on a queue-less well populated realm.

[Graysdir]

"I'll be making Order toons on the first server, hoping that it helps fill it up so they open a second one on Sunday. "

Create toons there because you want to play them; not because it will help force Mythic to create more servers. That's a silly concept you have there; and doesn't help anyone in the long run.

[Gisli]

If the community decides to go for the 2nd server, it would still be a smart thing for us all to log into Phoenix Throne at 7am, to help Mythic make the decision a little sooner. :)

I am certain that Phoenix Throne will be far fuller than any other server at initial launch if it is the only Core/RP server. Everything that I have seen indicates that the ratio of players to servers is higher for Core/RP than any other server type. So I am hopeful that the very first "add on" server will be Core/RP.

[Logard]

I would play them, that's why I would make them. But it has the added benefit of hoping the server fills up and creates a second server. I played on all three RP servers in DAoC too, wasn't just to fill it up.

[ScarDar]

I think I'm going to create Order toons on Pheonix becuase I do intend to casually play order toons on a RP Core server and those can wait 4 weeks before I start them.

[Graysdir]

Making toons on PT just to cause Mythic to create new servers is silly.

It's like peeing in a lake and hoping it will make it overflow! :)

[Logard]

Enough people peeing in the lake will make it overflow. That and all the orcs jumping in.

Mythic might not be the most popular people right now, but they're not going to allow the full caps of the servers that open Sunday. They'll do like they did in beta and have a lower cap. When that cap is reached, they'll know it's time to open more servers. When Tuesday comes along, I'd imagine they'll raise the caps some and open more servers. When Thursday comes along, I'd think they'd raise the caps to full. At least, that's what I'm really hoping they're doing.

Again, I'm not making toons JUST to help them open new servers, that's an added bonus. I don't think it's silly because I know I will play those toons down the road.

[Muninn]

well, might as well play somewhere while waiting for a new server to pop up.

[ScarDar]

Another thing to remember is for those of us who played on Argent Dawn (RP), is that it was the very first EST roleplaying server in WoW, and the letter A server. The queues on that server never went away. There were some months where you'd never see a queue, but during primetime for a good 2 days a week (this was 2+ years after launch) there was a queue.

I really hope Skavenblight is the #2 server. It's niether an "A" server and not the very first server.

[Graysdir]

But doesn't "Skavenblight" sound like a skin disease you get from rolling in the hay with trolls? Ick.

[Tholinar]

I voted for the second server. I will be getting up at 4 to begin. The only way we will be able to convince them to start a second RP server is to show them the numbers. If we all log in early it will hopefully get them to open another rp server sooner. I also submitted feedback via the tool on the herald. I suggest other do the same.

[Teofilo]

I voted for the first option, the reason for my vote is playing the statistics of who will be able to play initially during CE head start. If Mythic did indeed sell anywhere between 60 -100,000 CE's then on average the 10 servers will have a population around 6,000 people. However there are some variables that could create inflated but not accurate population numbers. These would be people switching off those servers as SE and launch approaches and all 60,000 people hammering all 10 intial servers which would cap them all for no reason.

[Rardac]

But doesn't "Skavenblight" sound like a skin disease you get from rolling in the hay with trolls? Ick.

No no! "Skavenblight" is what orcs get from eating too many skavens...makes you go all pasty looking like some dumb human :D.

As for servers...just tell me where to go. I plan on playing for several years, so a day or two (or 1/2 day) wait is ok with me...

[Slaight]

We're in a lose-lose situation here, people are too impatient to wait for the 2nd server as well as too impatient to wait in queues so either way we go we will lose people. I agree with what Darlini said, with the amount of people that want to go on an RP server, the 2nd might just be as crowded as the first.

Now i wanted to wait for the second server to come up but i am starting to think that the healthier thing to do may be to go on PT. It involves less "Maybes" and i think the chances of losing peoples due to queues weighs less then that of losing people who will be picking a server early.

[ScarDar]

Honestly from what I can tell, this game will have 1/4 the population of WoW, which is about 4x the population of DAoC at it's peak. So being on the "Nimue" server of WAR might end up being a really good thing. But if I'm forced to choose between Phoenix and Avelorn (?Avalon similarities?) I'm going with Avelorn. I do have genuine concerns regarding playing on the "A" RP server. I can see Phoenix and Avelorn ending up with the same population if Avelorn comes second.

Here's the scenarios as I see it:
1st) Phoenix - Very high population of "old guilds". Some will abandon it for 2nd & 3rd RP servers. Will gather a few "unattached" players on release due to it's cool name but since it'll be always "full" very few will go there.

2nd) Avelorn - High population of "old guilds", and will gather the majority of the "unattached" people since it's the 'A' server. Most of those "unattached" will play Order.
3rd) Skavenblight - Low population of "old guilds", and will gather fewest of the "unattached" people due to it's horrible name.

2nd) Skavenblight - High population of "old guilds", and will gather fewest of the "unattached" people due to it's horrible name.
3rd) Avelorn - Low population of "old guilds", and will gather the majority of the "unattached" people since it's the 'A' server. Most of those "unattached" will play Order.


Phoenix will have Queue issues it's entire life span. The guys who bought the normal edition will have issues logging in on their first days. However the battles on Phoenix will always be good hard fought battles. Assuming the population isn't over skewed to Destro due to most "old guilds" wanting to play Destro.

Soooo if Avelorn is released 2nd I see it having a good community with same population issues as Phoenix, also Avelorn will have more "<Free RPs>" and the fights will be more even in numbers.

If Skaven is released 2nd it will not have a population issue and every battle will be insanely good. However Evil will have a population advantage since most "old guilds" are going Evil.

Best case scenario for us is Avelorn being released second and all of us going there.

[Korasia]

according to the list that mythic posted, they make it seem like initially, collector's edition server selection is different then the standard editions pre-orders, and thus.... we don't have access to each other servers.

If the whole point of this web site was to unite the percival server again, then doesn't that mean we are pretty much forced to wait to pick -The Server- when the game is officially released so everyone has the chance to get onto the same server?

[Daewen]

according to the list that mythic posted, they make it seem like initially, collector's edition server selection is different then the standard editions pre-orders, and thus.... we don't have access to each other servers.

If the whole point of this web site was to unite the percival server again, then doesn't that mean we are pretty much forced to wait to pick -The Server- when the game is officially released so everyone has the chance to get onto the same server?

You didn't read it right. The servers are open to everyone (who can has access to the game), what's different is the timing at which they come online.

[Korasia]

[QUOTE=ScarDar;6562]
Here's the scenarios as I see it:
1st) Phoenix - Very high population of "old guilds". Some will abandon it for 2nd & 3rd RP servers. Will gather a few "unattached" players on release due to it's cool name but since it'll be always "full" very few will go there.

2nd) Avelorn - High population of "old guilds", and will gather the majority of the "unattached" people since it's the 'A' server. Most of those "unattached" will play Order.
3rd) Skavenblight - Low population of "old guilds", and will gather fewest of the "unattached" people due to it's horrible name.

2nd) Skavenblight - High population of "old guilds", and will gather fewest of the "unattached" people due to it's horrible name.
3rd) Avelorn - Low population of "old guilds", and will gather the majority of the "unattached" people since it's the 'A' server. Most of those "unattached" will play Order.[QUOTE]



Well, they probably looked at thier statistical data to come up with the servers numbers they have currently selected. ie, I guess there were 2x as many people pre-ordering the standard edition vs the collectors edition.

It doesn't nessicerly mean phenoix will be a higher population then skavanblight or avelon, but it will probably have more serious players on it.

[Caere]

The MMO market is much, much bigger than it was at the time of DAOC. All of these initial servers (i.e. all 3 RP servers), are gonna fill up within the first couple of weeks. So, I wouldn't be concerned about low population servers if you're gonna go on one of these three.

Ravensofwar is a very large community, and many can't get on until Tuesday or Thursday or later. It is more than just possible that the first server will fill up, which will split the community if it choses the first server.

Given all the considerations, the prudent thing to do, imo, is to choose one of the Tuesday servers. Waiting a couple of days is nothing, and besides, everything will be transparent two weeks from now anyways.

2c.

Caere

~Eldritch, Percival
~Magnus, Warhammer

[burt]

Teaching the impetuous to wait is never a bad thing, and, everything will be transparent two weeks from now anyways.



Yea, it surely is impetuous to want to get your full money's worth out of your collector's edition. :cool:

[LeMieux]

It's just a misinterpretation. All the SE servers are in addition to the CE servers. The lists are just of what servers they are opening and when.

My personal view on it? Why wait? All three RP servers are going to be to the hilt. At least for the first month. It seems a waste to let the CE headstart slide so we can have a slightly less crowded server.

[Korasia]

... everything will be transparent two weeks from now

Caere pretty much sums it up.

We can thoerize endlessly what server will likely end up the least populated, but realistically, we won't know until a few weeks have passed and the servers have 'settled' thier pupulations.

We can only hope that the server we choose initially will be the best choice, and if not, accept that many groups of people will leave the server for another one that fits thier needs better.

[Kzullokra]

My guess is that all of the initial Core/PVP servers will be pretty darn full. While there is a risk that Phoenix Throne will be hit especially hard - I think the other two that are scheduled to release later will end up just as bad. Even if we wait - we may wait for something that makes little difference.

I do think that it will be true that there will be several people from this alliance that just will say screw it and go to Phoenix Throne because itis available. If we pick another server we would loose those people and that might be a shame.

[Gwiragan]

It's just a misinterpretation. All the SE servers are in addition to the CE servers. The lists are just of what servers they are opening and when.

My personal view on it? Why wait? All three RP servers are going to be to the hilt. At least for the first month. It seems a waste to let the CE headstart slide so we can have a slightly less crowded server.

I'm with LeMieux on this one. All the RP servers are going to be hit hard...as it was with WoW. The flip side to the "wait until Tuesday" viewpoint is we wait until Tuesday and it gains us nothing because all RP servers will have queues for the first few weeks.

[Sonja]

I know that everyone wants a community and that its imporant for you all to choose one where we can grow. Everyone is impatient for the head start - which if anything, is going to break up the "core" community. I suppose it depends who you want along - those folks who are not CE do not really even get much choice - if we want to follow our friends/allies we need to go where you all go, so I would ask that you would all please decide what is important - a two day head start, or a server that is not so overcrowded that the other people you want go elsewhere anyway.

[th3rdworld]

Guin Alliance has posted they are going PT unless something changes.

[LeMieux]

That's a bit unfair. Most of us paid 30$ more specifically for a 2 day head start. It'd be all for naught if we simply wasted it.

Plus it'd be a whole lot easier if we chose the CE RP server. By the time the SE folks start rolling in a lot of us well likely be in T2, there will be a guild set up. Etc etc. I don't see the logic in wasting two days of setting everything up for a slightly less crowded server. That is assuming that it will be less crowded at all. I'd imagine all three RP servers are going to be brimming with people for the first month.

[Olaf_Tharand]

Personally I think playing on PT makes a lot of sense. It'll be a healthy server for years to come and the Guin alliance will fight hard. I don't want to be stuck playing on a server with a low population and we have a Percival alliance crushing it because we outnumber Order 3:1.

Wolves of Valhalla votes PT at release.

[ScarDar]

As evil as it sounds we should all just make toons on Phoenix no matter what.

A) it saves our names and we can always move 2 days later if need be.
B )it forces Mythic to open more servers on Sunday. Thereby getting Avelorn open, I still think this is the best choice for us since we're going Destruction.

[Uska]

I remember times waiting an hour or more to log into Percival, and that was discouraging. However, over time, Percival was the server that stayed populated. That is the reason I voted #1. However, I am happy to do what the guild leaders and members decide. I will be creating my characters on all the RP servers, so I can be with the guild where-ever.

One other thought: All the servers will probably be overcrowded the first few weeks while the "try it out" folks do their thing and until the next big game appears to draw folks away.

[th3rdworld]

I echo a lot of the other sentiments about PT, I think we will most likely be waiting for something that isn't going to happen. Come release, which server is likely to get flooded with non affiliated players wanting an RP. My guess would be Avelorn, simple because it will be the first one in the list to come up, at least PT will have a mostly established players base from the get go. And waiting as good and promising as that sounds is going to cause a schism in the player base for sure, because there will be plenty of people unwilling to re-roll.

[Cillbo]

I hope that the community has enough discipline and patience to make it through this relatively unscathed. There are no good options at this point, and every option could end up being very BAD.

[Fuga]

I, and some others, will be rolling Phoenix Throne at first. If the majority decides to play a 2nd (or 3rd, 4th) server, we'll just switch once they're up.

Thing is though, what if it takes mythic 2+ days to launch a 2nd RP server? The first RP server might not cap in the first two days, but we'll see :)

[Radaghast]

I voted 3rd, just because there was no option for "wait and see".

This is a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation that will probably sort itself out after the first few days.

If the poll Gisli referred to is even close for those that want RP servers, Phoenix Throne is going to be insanely full 5 minutes after it opens(15000, if 1/4 of 60000 actually want RP). You CE people may be wasting alot of your head start in ques(stayed logged in!).

I would not doubt that several servers will open within the first few hours of the CE headstart, but everything is total speculation right now.

[Wazdakka]

I'm with some others above in this: Create characters on PT, play. If the community here decides to switch off at any time within, say, 2 days, I'll be more than happy to switch (cause i don't want to play without you guys). If it switches after that, I'll still switch but I'll be sullen and grumpy about it.

[Rusby]

I would not doubt that several servers will open within the first few hours of the CE headstart, but everything is total speculation right now.


I think you may end up being right about this.

[Rondel]

Personally I think playing on PT makes a lot of sense. It'll be a healthy server for years to come and the Guin alliance will fight hard. I don't want to be stuck playing on a server with a low population and we have a Percival alliance crushing it because we outnumber Order 3:1.


If anything, I'd say the reverse will be true.

The hardcore guilds who will burn out faster will all go to PT. All their friends will arrive and roll there on Tuesday, which means you'll have queues, caps, and the fast burners all congregated together.

6 months from now, 90% of the hardcore guilds will be playing WOTLK, and Skavenblight will have the long term balanced players.

Six months from now Phoenix will be the worst of the 3 release RP servers, I'd wager due to the initial overflow and subsequent WOW hardcore player turnover, which we'll absolutely see.

Two days would be important if you're playing on an Open ruleset server, It's irrelevent on a Core RP server.

[Teofilo]

Unofficial statement taken from Mark Jacobs on the VN boards.

"Folks,

Man, talk about much ado over nothing. Some of you guys are acting like we won't quickly open more servers as needed. We have a ton of servers all racked and ready to go and we'll be moving them to LIVE as the population expands. There is no perfect way to do this. If we open with too many servers at first, RVR players will complain that the servers don't have enough players to do RvR with and the boards will be filled with "WTF Mythic, I can't RvR in your RvR game! Epic Fail" PvE players are happy at first with lower pop servers but then will be unhappy if they look for groups and/or do stuff in the AH. If we open with a fewer number of servers, RvR players are thrilled but some Guilds are worried about being split up and some PvE players are worried about overcrowding. Keep in mind that we plan on both raising the population caps as well as the number of servers very quickly as the days go on. This is true for all types of servers because I could frankly care less what the ratio of server types are other than making sure that the ratio reflects what the players want. Also, keep in mind that we don't know how many of our pre-order players will take advantage of our Head Start (it is a work week) and so we don't want to open too many servers day 1 for that reason as well.

Relax, we have both plenty of servers and enough experience to roll them into action as soon as they are needed. We're fully staffed with CSRs as well so that when we roll the servers into LIVE, the CSRs are ready to go.

Mark"

[LeMieux]

It's still two days that a lot of people paid for. It'd be kinda off to ask everyone to hang back and waste those two days.

[Rusby]

Mark Jacobs is the man. I voted for the 2nd RP server now because there's a good chance it will show up on Sunday.

[Torlan]

I voted to start tomorrow as well, 90% of my guild has been people that spent the extra cash. I understand all that is said above, but they want to get what they paid for, and part of that is the extra 2 days to grind out those 2 days (I paid but I dont get to use those days since I work).

[Rondel]

I disagree. People should not have to play on a queued, lesser, overcrowded server which will probably have the fastest turnover rate and largest order/destro imbalance because a few bought CE copies.

Again, it'd be important if it were on an Open ruleset server. I'd think everyone would want to be on the best longterm server, which I think will be Skavenblight.

[Dranearian]

Just wanted to update you all, I updated my thread.

Guinevere War Alliance is going to Phoenix Throne, We have too many in the CE headstart to ask them to forfeit their time until Tuesday when the other servers would come up.

Sorry if this changes anything.

[Rusby]

Thanks for the update :)

[Rondel]

Just wanted to update you all, I updated my thread.

Guinevere War Alliance is going to Phoenix Throne, We have too many in the CE headstart to ask them to forfeit their time until Tuesday when the other servers would come up..

While I'll follow the alliance, this is why I think Phoenix will be bloated and trouble.

The RP servers are the most popular historically. A small percent from each guild will be there on Sunday. The rest will follow over the following week. RP servers also have the most loyal guilds who will stick together.

Unlike the Open servers which will be full of total guilds looking to rush, the RP initial one will be more large alliances looking to stay together, just like Guin is doing and we are discussing doing.

Say, 10,000 people go to Phoenix to roleplay or just to escape the d00d quotient. It's safe to say that is a small percent of the larger alliances. I think it's safe to say we could see another 50,000 people trying to play on Phoenix Throne between additions to the server on Tuesday and then release day. I think that number could be as high as 90,000 based on beta numbers and pre orders on regular release day.

Logically, it's fair to extrapolate this just based on what we are seeing with our two small alliances.

I empathize with those who paid for the CE to get a head start. Just realize a ton of others did and many are in guilds preferential to a RP server who will go to Phoenix for the same reasons we are considering

[Dranearian]

We decided it was a gamble either way.

There is no guarantee that it will be bad, and there is no guarantee that any others will be good.

We are putting our money on them all being bad so it wont matter which. =)

[Gwiragan]

I disagree. People should not have to play on a queued, lesser, overcrowded server which will probably have the fastest turnover rate and largest order/destro imbalance because a few bought CE copies.

Again, it'd be important if it were on an Open ruleset server. I'd think everyone would want to be on the best longterm server, which I think will be Skavenblight.

I'll suggest that comments about what's "fair" or "unfair" based on what edition of the game you purchased isn't helpful to this process. If you don't have any kind of headstart edition, it's not important to you. If you did purchase one, it is important. Neither side is more entitled than the other.

No one knows what the servers will or will not be like 6 months / 12 months /2 years from now. No one knows what a "Hardcore WoW" player even is much less how they'll impact Warhammer.

Gisli and his supporting officers are doing their utmost in a chaotic situation to find the best solution for the entire group of people. Seems to me that we can most help them by simply stating preferences and responding to the polls/questions they're asking. Once they make a final decision, everyone can decide for themselves what their individual decisions might be. :)

[Rondel]

We are putting our money on them all being bad so it wont matter which. =)

Haha, probably true.

[Slaight]

I think CEs and SEs are all in the same boat here, we all have to log out or crash at some point so the queue will affect both to the same extent. So what ever decision we make here if you don't like it and you're a SE preorderer, don't get offended.

We could wait till the 18th and nobody gets a HS. :p Just Kidding.

[iammercy]

If anything, I'd say the reverse will be true.


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Its the CE folk who are going to make or break this one. The CE people are those who actually are interested in War and not just WOW rejects.

Mercy

[Monstein]

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Its the CE folk who are going to make or break this one. The CE people are those who actually are interested in War and not just WOW rejects.

Mercy


So your saying someone who didn't see a point in spending the extra money is just a WoW reject? man.

[Isak]

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Its the CE folk who are going to make or break this one. The CE people are those who actually are interested in War and not just WOW rejects.

Mercy

Keep it civil guys.

[Rusby]

Don't forget monetary constraints :)

[Gisli]

The CE folks probably represent 10-20% of the population here, which is much higher than the 5-10% of the population they probably represent in the overall playerbase. Ultimately, we need to make a decision that is best for all concerned, and the CE folks are really the tail here, not the dog. And many of the CE folks are guild leaders and guild officers. If we F*** this up, those of us who are guild leaders are going to have to answer to a lot of angry people. :) So even among the CE folks, the most important ones have a vested interest in the success of the many. If we are doing our jobs right, our decisions WILL reflect the needs of the broader community.

Since everyone can vote in the polls, I hope those considerations factor out in the right way.

[Dall dies to much]

Honestly... as someone said earlier in this thread..

I say we Bomb that first RP server so hard hour one they have to open another asap


this is me right now :huh:

just dumb founded about this

[Dall dies to much]

No, I do understand the situation. You just don't know all the details of our server rollout plans. But since you apparently think I have no clue what is going on, tell me exactly what you think we should do and then also tell me why it will alleviate your problems and how it won't cause other issues. I'm listening.

Mark


I do believe he is getting pissie

[Dall dies to much]

VN UPDATE FROM MARK

Red Eye Mountain Core
Skull Throne Core
Badlands Core
Sylvania Core
Volkmar Core
Averheim Core
Azazel Core

Hochland Open RvR
Wolfenburg Open RvR
Dark Crag Open RvR
Bechafen Open RvR

Phoenix Throne Roleplay
Ostermark Roleplay

Chaos Wastes RP/Open RvR

http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/108599710/p1/?6

[EKi]

I think the dev. knows how many CE players are about to roll in tomorow and they do suggest a servers list according to what they know.

Pheonix seems to be a valid server to choose just because of this. Beside since the list is following a alphabetical order, when the other RP server will come out Pheonix will not be on top of the list (at the bottom actualy) and if the population of that server is mostly composed of pre-order/ce edition and avoid the main MASS of player it sounds like a good plan to me.

and based on the update id like to add what Mark said in his post for a better understanding and why we should take a relax decision...no need to get all emo on server choices :P

"in terms of how our rollout plan looks like, here are some more details:

1) On day one, our population cap on each server will start at 1/3 of its total cap and then move up to ½ on a rolling basis. We can raise that number any time, no restart of the servers are necessary.

2) As a server approaches cap, we will either raise the cap again or deploy another server of that type. Deployment of a server takes only 30 minutes and our intention is that there are no server queues during the CE/SE period.

3) By day 2, we will raise the server cap of all servers to 2/3.

4) By day 3, we will raise the server cap of all servers to its full cap.

5) Each server’s cap is a bit soft and even our top cap is less than the servers can handle.

6) Depending on how many of our CE/SE players take advantage of the head start, we will add more servers as necessary throughout the entire process."

[Eliora]

I do believe he is getting pissie


I can't say as I blame him. Just trying to keep my 2 kids happy when they both want differant things drives me bonkers...I can't imagion what it would be like trying to make tens of thousands of people happy (no I am not saying anyone here is acting childish I am just using my kids as an example).

If anyone is following the Ten Ton Hammer blog I hope he gets asked for a doller...it would be fun to see him :blowup:

[Daewen]

So the choices are now:

Phoenix Throne Roleplay
Ostermark Roleplay

From the man himself:

http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/108599710/p1

[Rondel]

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Its the CE folk who are going to make or break this one. The CE people are those who actually are interested in War and not just WOW rejects.

Mercy


CE or non CE is meaningless. Besides, within a week you'll be long in my dust, even without me having purchased a CE.

What will make this a good flow, versus a cluster is if we can get our alliance together.

The issue to me will be if too many people funnel into one server. I commend Mark for adding another RP server.


In terms of how our rollout plan looks like, here are some more details:

1) On day one, our population cap on each server will start at 1/3 of its total cap and then move up to ½ on a rolling basis. We can raise that number any time, no restart of the servers are necessary.

2) As a server approaches cap, we will either raise the cap again or deploy another server of that type. Deployment of a server takes only 30 minutes and our intention is that there are no server queues during the CE/SE period.

3) By day 2, we will raise the server cap of all servers to 2/3.

4) By day 3, we will raise the server cap of all servers to its full cap.

5) Each server’s cap is a bit soft and even our top cap is less than the servers can handle.

6) Depending on how many of our CE/SE players take advantage of the head start, we will add more servers as necessary throughout the entire process.

Once again, our plan (not our goal, but our plan) is to deploy servers as needed to *avoid* long server queues whether it is in the Head Start or beyond. Please keep in mind we needed to have some queuing in Open Beta so we could test the code before launch.

Here’s the list of the next servers of each type that are queued up so that guilds can start making their plans.

We will not open all the CE/SE servers at launch for a number of reasons, one of which is that doing so would be unfair to the SE players who might also want to come into a “fresh” server just like our CE people. We also will not open all the servers we have racked at SE launch as the same reasoning applies to people who didn’t pre-order the game. We will not open all our servers at launch as well since that could lead to servers with too few people in the beginning if people spread out too much.

If this plan doesn’t work, you can expect us to make changes on the fly and/or after launch including free transfers as necessary.

[Dranearian]

Guin Alliance is sticking with phoenix :)

[Dall dies to much]

Second Update:

Server Time is now moved to 1pm EST for CE launch



Yes, right now it looks like 1PM for the Head Start.

Mark

[Gisli]

This is great news that they have announced a second server. Even if we were to stick with Phoenix, the fact that many other people will start elsewhere makes the squeeze SO much easier.

Let's give this a bit of time to develop. I'll set another poll of some sort early this evening.

[Dall dies to much]

chalk one up for VN nut jobs (includes me) :drool::blink:

[Slaight]

Second Update:

Server Time is now moved to 1pm EST for CE launch

Guess i'll get to sleep a lil longer. :p

[Rondel]

Given the current crop of problems, it wouldn't surprise me if most of the first week included a lot of downtime.

Especially if they have a lot more people than they expect next week.

[Daewen]

Given the current crop of problems, it wouldn't surprise me if most of the first week included a lot of downtime.

Especially if they have a lot more people than they expect next week.

I doubt it. Mark has already stated that they have enough servers to completely sell out the first batch of shipped copies.

Obviously there will be emergency fixes, but I don't expect anything longer than an hour or two of downtime...

Of course I could be totally wrong too :)

[Dall dies to much]

odd as it sounds... I got faith in mythic and server stability

just one of those things they got a good track record (least from my view point)

[Gisli]

Locking this now, since this poll is getting obsolete. I'll post another poll in about an hour or so. Hopefully we are on our way to closure!