Mini Rant on Info Available on Herald. . .

[Kestrel_Trebor]

So we're at war, and we can't even talk with the enemy realm. So why the heck can they log onto the Herald and view every detail of my character? Equipment, resists, stats, etc.? IMO we should be figuring that stuff out about our enemies, it should not be handed to us on a silver platter.

And one of the cool things about DAOC was coming up with unusual (and successful) gear combinations that others didn't consider. Now all our trade secrets are displayed for the world to see.

I don't like it. . . :( I'm gonna mess around with my gear some to see if I can determine when the server is pulling that info. -- if it's just periodically throughout the day or at logon/logoff. If it's logon/logoff only, I'll be stripping naked every time I quit the game. But I doubt it's that simple . . . :(

[Erumi]

Yeah I was never a fan of The Armory in WoW for the same reason. My gear is my own business.


BTW I just looked up Hasil and will tell everyone about that sweet green lvl 1 dagger she has!

[Kestrel_Trebor]

BTW I just looked up Hasil and will tell everyone about that sweet green lvl 1 dagger she has!

That's my secret weapon!!!

[Dall dies to much]

its was debated in Closed.... guess who won...

and I THINK there is a command to hide that info

[Sentack]

Let me ask you guys this. Why does it matter? Does it really hurt your characters to have this info available for all to see? I mean seriously, tell me why. Come up with some clear cut reasons. Don't just say, "Oh you don't understand." Because I know some of the reasons you might give, I just don't think any of them are all that good. Tell me why this is wrong.

[Erumi]

It really doesn't matter all that much. I'm not all in a tizzy over it. I just don't think it's anyone's business.

[Monstein]

I know alot of guys that in WoW arena use to use a rogue with two screens and look up the other team and figure out who to go after first baset off gear and spec. But myself I don't care, my spec is a diffrent thing.

[Kestrel_Trebor]

It's bad b/c:

1) Gives the enemy tactical info that they should have to learn for themselves. Lets them choose their tactics/attacks to focus on your weakness - for example, you're weak to a type of damage and they focus fire you with that damage type.

2) Same as #1, only they learn what equipment you're using. You find a good combo of equipment -- perhaps your tank train is running elemental damage weapons; perhaps you are using an oft-neglected artifact, to use DAOC terms. Whatever you're doing with your equipment to beat them, they'll know. . .

I'd love to know how to turn this feature off, if you can. . .

[burt]

Use the /help in game for a list of the slash commands, I think.

If it's not there, it's not in game.

[Greenmind]

The only thing I disliked about the Armory in WoW is how much drama and taunting occurred because I happened to log out in my PVE gear one day and made a post about something else I don't usually wear in a thread on the WoW forums.

I don't think gear will have as much of an impact on PVP performance in WAR, but it sure helps the epeen strokage on forums.

[Wyndhm]

In closed beta, we debated with Mythic if the gear information would be harmful or necessary. They basically told us that it levels the playing field if everyone can see what others are wearing. Mythic does not want gear to rule this game and if other people gain an advantage due to wearing/equipping something, then everyone should be able to attain the same template.

I have mixed feelings about it, but frankly, I don't think it will be a big deal. Vanguard did this too and I thought it was rather nifty for that game.

[Greenmind]

The solution is simple. Get naked!

[Wyndhm]

Funny thing is, you can be naked in the first few levels if you don't find a good chest piece. Wearing no armor is basically the same as wearing your starter shirt which has about 1 armor on it. :)

[Sentack]

Is it true that there's some kind of Achievement for taking so much damage with no armor on? I saw a TON of players in the Scenarios that had zero armor on. It was rather comical.

[Cillbo]

Is it true that there's some kind of Achievement for taking so much damage with no armor on? I saw a TON of players in the Scenarios that had zero armor on. It was rather comical.

I thought it was a bug.:) Guess I should feel bad for being beat down by a bunch of naked elves.

[Vaskl]

yes there are achievements for dealing so much damage unarmored.
There are two achievements that I saw.

[Twerpie]

Hasil ... will be interesting playing on the same side as you, although I might instinctively try to hit the 'remedy' button the first few times I see you.

[Steingrimr]

There is an option to turn off "inspectability" (I just made that word up, go me!). I forget exactly what it is, but I know I saw it in the list. I think it was /inspectable.

Wasn't there a command to make your RPs anonymous on the Camelot Herald too?

[Eliora]

For being naked and clicking on a NPC 100 times you get "Flirt" for doing it 1000 times you get "the Tease". I am not sure what the others are called but there seem to be a few for doing things naked. :lol:

As for being able to see peoples gear. In WoW I saw a lot of problems from it (people have already said the bigger ones). In EQ2 I saw it as a good thing without many problems. Well other then Sony made you pay for the info.

I think in the end it will depend on how the comunity its self acts to it....sad thing is, once its in, it will not be going back out of the game again :(

[Knight_Marshal]

You get 'The Show Off' for using an ability in combat 100 times. There is another with a similar name for doing so many PQs naked.

I intend to see how many there are, since you don't really need armor in the low levels with a Witch Elf and it fits the character.

[Sentack]

I don't see how your 'enemy' seeing what you have is a disadvantage. You can see what they have too. So then, aren't you both in the know, and can take advantage of each others weakness. And guess what, if you _know_ you have a weakness, or soon find out you have one, you can always try to 'patch it up'. It's not like your stuck with your gear permanently.

In general, I still don't see a problem with it. Does it really hurt your feelings that someone might talk smack about your characters boots or that you didn't spec 'just right'? I know specing can get funny, depending a lot on the game, since in WoW, for a while, your spec changed your character a LOT more then it does in War. But here, just chin up and accept it.

And if they put in an "opt out" command, well that's weak sauce. That means it's in everyone's best interest to go /anon, making things less interesting. It's a "Tragedy of the Commons" sort of situation when that happens.

[Kestrel_Trebor]

If gear and specialization options in WAR are such that having this information readily available is *not* a disadvantage, then I'll be a sad panda :(

Like in DAOC, after TOA -- things like weapon choice (elemental damage perhaps, artifacts used, etc.), spellcrafting, under-utilized artifacts (SOTG anyone?), even things like using some of the random drops that had 2 min buffs that gave you a chance to proc an elemental DD. All little things that gave you an edge that you might not wanna share with the world.

@ Twerpie -- was your nightshade named Twerpie too, right? I remember a fight with you in NF along the coast, near DC or crim I think -- where you used Traitor's Dagger and procced like 10 mists on me. I cried IRL, I really did!

[Voltari]

There is an option to turn off "inspectability" (I just made that word up, go me!). I forget exactly what it is, but I know I saw it in the list. I think it was /inspectable.

Wasn't there a command to make your RPs anonymous on the Camelot Herald too?

In DAOC, yes there is a command to make your character anonymous on the Herald. It would still display your RPs, but nothing else (not your side, race, or class) other than "Anonymous Defender" for your name.

[Dharnyle]

It really doesn't matter if the game is going to boil down to gear or skill or whatever is displayed where and what other people are going to be able to glean from character description sheets.

We are playing on a Role Play server.

If it bothers you that other people can see what gear you have or don't have, then get some RP clothes (shirts and pants or dresses, gowns, robes or some such stuff) and log out in an Inn, or some such equilivent.

Most people don't wear their armor and weapons to bed. So put on your RP clothes and call them night gowns or some such thing.

There you have it. You can now hide your stuff and have the perfect RP reason for it!

If someone mentions something to you like, "You noob, why are you always dressed in a plain white shirt and britches?" You can come back all huffy and ask, "Who are you and how did you breach the door to my room while I was asleep? How DARE you attempt to assassinate me while I was resting!"

Or strip it all off and RP that you sleep in the buff, and your anger can be 20x that of just being annoyed that someone entered your sleeping chambers.

[burt]

I've been waiting for someone to enter my bedchambers.

[Deliviss]

I've been waiting for someone to enter my bedchambers.


wearing a multicolored outfit no doubt..:)

[Aoann]

wearing a multicolored outfit no doubt..:)

once you go green....

[Bodie]

once you go green....

...it'll burn while you're peein'.

[Hrothvar]

Personally, I think anyone who keeps two screens up or tries to look up opponents while they are PvPing is wasting precious time. Gear doesn't seem to have that tremendous an impact in PvP. Armor factor seems about as important as toughness or other stats and I've seen a few pieces of lower level white con items with better armor factors (like 106 vs 64) than my rank 9 renown gear that gives some good stat bonuses.

As for the "naked" achievements. The one for doing 10 PQs unarmored gives you the title "Streaker" and there's at least 2 other titles in that series.

EDIT: I have ALSO noted that the information on the herald isn't quite accurate... I looked at the stat bonuses it lists for the accessories I am wearing and it shows them as about +5s... the three renown rings I have are actually +8, +9 and +10 despite what it shows on the website (although it DID get the item names correct, it seems to pull the bonus/stat info from an outside database with incorrect info).

Not to mention it shows Ravens of War as being Rank 20 and I'm PRETTY SURE that's not true... so it's likely just pulling guild xp and the database it uses to calculate rank hasn't been updated with the last changes to slow guild progression.

[burt]

Don't know if they ironed the bugs out, but the Herald wasn't that accurate during beta. It showed my squig herder as having a +66 intelligence staff equipped in my cloak slot.